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I wonder if perhaps Rickard didn’t do more to curb Lyanna’s wildness (restricting her from riding in an unladylike manner, for instance, discourage Brandon’s enabling, etc.) because it did remind him of Lyarra. A clear parallel, then, to why Ned doesn’t do more to hinder Arya, because she reminds him of Lyanna.

Hmm, I don’t know if I’d say that Rickard didn’t try to curb Lyanna’s wildness. Horseback riding is one of the activities that highborn ladies are allowed to learn and it’s not regarded as an unladylike. Sansa goes riding several times, as does Margaery Tyrell (who has been riding since she was young) and her cousins. It’s even noted by Cersei that highborn ladies often break their maidenheads riding which is almost certainly the cause of Marg’s broken hymen. That Lyanna was a good rider or that she went riding with Brandon is hardly indicative of Rickard allowing her some leeway for her wildness. Indeed what we do know of Rickard’s position towards Lyanna is that he forbade her to carry a sword and didn’t care about her objections to the betrothal to Robert, neither of which suggest any degree of indulgence on Rickard’s part.

The latest meta made me wonder: if Cersei had one do Robert’s kids, it doesn’t mean the kid will be the heir. Child could’ve been the youngest of three (four?) or a girl. in this case adultery might lead Ned to think that maybe Joffrey is illegitimate (it would be pretty weird, since most of his own kids look like Tylly, but if all baratheons were black haired, it might worry him), and declare for a black haired kid along with Stannis. Will Cersei kill black haired kid?

You’re going at this backwards, I’m afraid. Cersei’s adultery was discovered specifically because Stannis suspected the paternity of her children since none of them looked like Robert when he was aware that Robert’s bastards favored him. But with a black-haired child in the mix, Stannis wouldn’t suspect the children’s paternity and wouldn’t figure out the adultery in the first place (note that the info that every single Baratheon-Lannister union had yielded exclusively black-haired children was only discovered through Jon Arryn’s investigation and examination of the Baratheon genealogy. With no one suspecting the children’s paternity due to the glaringly Robert’s Baratheon prince(ss) and no investigation, that bit of info remains obscure). That black-haired child throws suspicion off their siblings because no one would ever think to look at them and conclude adultery with a child that looks so much like their father, least of all Ned whose children favor his wife except one.

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Lyarra dying while Benjen was a baby (please no childbirth again George!) would explain why Lyanna grew up so wild & was not willing to quietly get sold off as a perfect southern lady.

It’s a possibility but I personally hesitate to attribute Lyanna’s nature to her mother’s absence, especially in a series where Arya Stark exists. Arya takes after Lyanna is nature even with a mother and a septa overseeing her education and trying to tame her wildness and mold her into “a proper” lady. I also think that if it was simply a matter of lack of maternal/ladylike supervision, then Rickard would have taken great care to remedy the situation by providing a caretaker to make Lyanna observe her courtesies and lady conduct since he planned to marry her to the south, so I don’t know if Lyarra’s death is a satisfactory explanation for Lyanna’s wildness.

Honestly, I don’t really think of Lyarra as this ladylike figure that would have amended Lyanna’s behavior if she’d been present. Lyarra grew up with Arya Flint for a mother and while we don’t know any more about Arya than we know about Lyarra, the harsh lives that the mountain clans live and the fact that they have to withstand wildlings and Ironborn raids regularly does not provide an environment for perfect ladies. These women need to contend with harsh living conditions and raiders looking to rape or kill them; they need to know how to fight, they need to know how to raise fighters. There’s not a lot of space for courtesies and courtly delicacies in those conditions. To borrow from the symbolic statue in Bear Island, the mountain clanswomen need to have a babe in one arm and an axe in the other just as much as the Mormonts need to.

To speak of the First Flints in particular, this is the clan that bred Danny Flint, a young girl who dressed up as a boy to join the Night’s Watch (it’s worth mentioning that we don’t actually know which House Flint Danny belongs to but it’s far more feasible for her to belong to the First Flints with their proximity to the Wall and the Nightfort in particular than for her to come from Flint’s Fingers or Widow’s Watch). It also bears mentioning that the only thing we do know about Arya Flint is a line about how her blood was the reason Bran Stark was such a fool for climbing. That suggests to me that she was wild and wilful and free-spirited and a little reckless as well. I don’t imagine such a woman would raise Lyarra to be any different.

Neither would Rodrik Stark, I’d reckon. This is a guy who traveled extensively as to earn the sobriquet the Wandering Wolf, who became a sellsword and served with the Second Sons getting exposed to other cultures and customs. I’m not saying that he’d have gotten back ready to train Lyarra and Branda in arms, but I also don’t think he’d be beholden to rigid lordly conduct either. Picking a wild clanswoman for a wife in what is almost certainly not a dynastic match can only be a testament to that.

Had Cersei accidently had one of Robert’s babies, what kind of relationship with she have with that child? Does one little raven work enough to throw suspicion away from all those little cuckoo’s?

I admit I’m having trouble with the premise of this AU because I can’t see Cersei having Robert’s child. Cersei took care to rarely have penetrative sex with Robert and was quick to abort the one child they conceived together. If, say, she got pregnant after sleeping with both Robert and Jaime and wasn’t sure which fathered the baby, I reckon she’d get an abortion anyway rather than run the risk of having Robert’s kid, which she was adamant on preventing and took great pleasure in. A Cersei who had Robert’s kid wouldn’t be Cersei.

But…. assuming she got a personality transplant or, idk, was drunk and forgot she slept with Robert, I don’t think she’d have that good of a relationship with the kid. Cersei’s affection for her children is intrinsically tied with how she sees them as extensions of herself and it’s hard to do that with a black-haired blue-eyed child that looks the image of the husband she hates. Considering what she says to Ned about being “cleansed” of Robert’s child and how much joy she took in depriving Robert of biological children, I don’t imagine her being too happy with that Robert-looking child or too fond of them. Ignoring them would be the best case scenario.

However, that child would change the plot completely. With a child so apparently Robert’s, Stannis would have no reason to suspect the children’s parentage or go to Jon Arryn with his suspicions. That scraps Jon’s investigation altogether, though whether that’s enough to save his life is unknown. Jon’s poisoning was primarily triggered by his plans to take Sweetrobin from Lysa and foster him with Stannis which prompted Lysa, with encouragement from Littlefinger, to poison him to prevent that. While the fostering was partly because Jon wanted to ensure his son’s safety when he made his move against the Lannisters, he also wanted to distance Sweetrobin from Lysa’s coddling that he believed made his son weak, so the latter motive still stands even if the former is butterflied away. Note, however, that Jon did show signs of improvement when Maester Colemon purged him in OTL so there’s a chance that he might have survived the poisoning if Maester Colemon had been allowed to continue treating him and hadn’t been sent away by Grand Maester Pycelle. As Pycelle was aware of both the incest and Jon Arryn’s investigation (he is the one who provided both Jon and later Ned with the genealogy book), he assumed it was Cersei who poisoned Jon and interfered in his treatment, only providing milk of the poppy and leaving Jon to die because he believed that Cersei wanted Jon dead. So it’s possible Pycelle might not just leave Jon to die if he didn’t know that Jon posed a danger to Cersei and that’s why she needed him dead. If Jon Arryn survives and suspects his illness was actually a murder attempt, he might start looking closer at those around him and might be able to trace where the poison came from, while Ned stays in the North to deal with what’s happening at the Wall.

If Jon dies, whether because the purging didn’t save his life or because Pycelle still left him to die, say, on the assumption that it was a power play from Cersei to make way for Tywin’s Handship or something to that effect, Robert still goes north to make Ned his Hand and Lysa sends the message accusing the Lannisters of Jon’s murder to Catelyn. It’s possible that Stannis leaves King’s Landing in a huff over Robert naming Ned Hand instead of him, but it’d be far easier for Ned to get hold of him, that is if Stannis didn’t return to King’s Landing in response to Ned’s letters or out of his sense of duty. With Stannis in King’s Landing, Ned is far less vulnerable to the manipulations of Varys and Littlefinger, not to mention that there is no investigation for him to trace and no lighting bulb moment over Sansa’s comment about Joffrey not being the least bit like Robert. While everything with the dagger, Catelyn arresting Tyrion and the Lannisters attacking the Riverlands still happens, Ned probably doesn’t get ambushed by Jaime (no investigation = no talk of Jon and Stannis visiting a brother = no Littlefinger taking Ned to see Barra), there’s no confrontation with Cersei, Cersei might not even poison Robert when she did, spurred by several people investigating her and Renly plotting against her. Even if she still poisons Robert, without Ned learning of the affair and of Joffrey’s true parentage, the will naming Ned regent might result in one hell of a power struggle but Ned does not get arrested or executed and the North does not call its banners.

That’s one reason for the War of the Five Kings butterflied away. One king down. Another two don’t declare themselves king at all because without the adultery suspected and investigated, Stannis never claims the throne regardless of how little he likes Cersei or Joffrey. Renly’s plot to install Margaery as Robert’s queen never happens and he doesn’t declare himself king. That’s most of the plot causing the War of the Five Kings undone.

That doesn’t necessarily mean things would be peaceful though. Cersei isn’t letting Ned be regent that easily and Ned isn’t rolling over and letting Cersei handwave Robert’s will away (neither is Stannis for that matter, even if he grits his teeth over Robert picking Ned over him again). Don’t forget that Joffrey is still a little shit. Bran’s defenestration still happened and he is gonna remember who pushed him and why soon. Tywin Lannister has openly assaulted the Riverlands and Ned has an arrest order on Clegane. The Tullys and the Lannisters are a hair away from open war. The Starks are already suspicious of the Lannisters, and Lysa has accused them of Jon Arryn’s murder in front of the Vale’s nobility. Both Varys and Littlefinger know about the incest and are invested in inciting a war so don’t count out their machinations too. There is still plenty of reasons for conflict, albeit with fewer kings in the realm.

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I am interested in what happens to Lysa in this AU.

Back to Riverrun. She’d have no authority in the Vale and no place in the court of the new ruler of the Eyrie. She might prefer seeking
out Petyr but (1) Petyr would only be a minor lord without Jon Arryn elevating him to the customs position in Gulltown and if Jon dies right after the rebellion, he wouldn’t have the chance to do even that, and (2) Petyr wouldn’t want Lysa if there is nothing in it for him. With her ties in the Vale severed by Jon’s death, and Hoster Tully wanting nothing to do with his former foster son, I don’t see Petyr humoring a woman he clearly despised. That leaves Lysa with no option but to go back to Riverrun where Hoster would definitely try to make her another political match.

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I think she died shortly after Benjen was born and that’s why Lyanna kinda ran wild. But I REALLY wish GRRM wouldn’t just leave me with WILD SPECULATION >.>

I’m half expecting Martin to tell us that she died birthing Benjen though I really don’t want another childbirth death. I’d settle for a winter fever killing her at this point, or even an accident when she was riding because I kind of like the thought of Brandon and Lyanna inheriting their love for riding from their mother. Lyarra was the daughter of a mountain clanswoman and a guy called the Wandering Wolf so I think of her as a good rider, free spirit and very wolf-blooded. I often headcanon that Lyanna takes after her mother in the same way that Arya takes after her aunt.

I do think Lyarra was dead long before Rickard put his SA plans into action, but I keep going back and forth on when she died exactly. I freely admit that any thoughts I had about her dying in Benjen’s infancy comes mostly from an attempt to rationalize her complete lack of mention in Ned’s POV.

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velteris:

can someone… pls explain to me this New Tumblr Feature where. if u put a readmore into ur post all ur quotation marks turn into arcane symbols while on desktop dashboard. but once u click on the readmore, or if ur on mobile, or on ur own tumblr to view to post, then it goes back to being normal???

i was wondering this also, so i investigated!

tumblr is turning regular apostrophes and quotation marks into the special unicode characters U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK, U+201C LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK, and U+201D RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK. there is no real reason for tumblr to do this.

then, tumblr encodes them with the UTF-8 character encoding. the special characters use three bytes each. somehow tumblr managed to do this bit right.

then tumblr tries to decode them with the Windows-1252 character encoding, which only supports one byte characters, so it turns them into three garbage characters. 

it only does this on the dashboard and in the sidebar blog thingy. this is because tumblr uses different code for the dashboard/sidebar versus everything else, even though they do exactly the same thing.

finally tumblr encodes them with UTF-8, again, and sends them to you. the chain of stupidity is complete.

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Proxima Midnight wields a special spear, that was forged by Thanos himself. This allows the spear to transform into light and change its size. It hardly ever misses its target. That’s why it’s such a big deal to see Captain America dodge and grab this spear in the trailer. This isn’t supposed to be something you can just catch. (x)