Do you see any Rhaenyra//Daenerys parallel?

Daenerys and Rhaenyra? Eh.

I mean, I guess there are parallels in the vaguest of senses? They are both female claimants to a throne sat by a male relative. Both were named Princess of Dragonstone by a previous king. Both had a stillbirth where their child showed draconic malformation. Both are dragon-riders, Both were forced into marriage …. both married twice? But those parallels are not perfect. Rhaenyra was named Princess of Dragonstone by a sitting king with recognized authority and ability to name her as such; Dany was named by a pretender of an overthrown dynasty that no one recognized as king. Rhaenyra’s dead child was her sixth; Dany her first. Dany was sold and raped in her first marriage; Rhaenyra’s marriage was probably never consummated and both she and her husband carried out affairs throughout it. Dany’s stillbirth was the result of a magical interference; Rhaenyra’s was the result of plain old stress. Rhaenyra’s second marriage was on account of her own wants and desires; Dany’s was for peace for her people.

To tell you the truth, it’s the contrast between the two that stands out to me.  The thing that defines Dany the most is that she cares deeply about others that she puts their interests and safety above her own personal desires, whereas Rhaenyra cares mainly about herself even if it means trampling the common people in the process. It is rather striking that Dany does everything in her power to bring peace to Mereen, even sacrificing her personal happiness by marrying a man she does not want in hopes that this would stop the bloodshed in the streets and spare her people. Compare and contrast to Rhaenyra blatant rejection of peace as symbolized by Corlys Velaryon’s suggestions of war-ending efforts for the sake of her personal vengeance. It is very clear that ruling is mainly a responsibility and duty to the people in Dany’s eyes, but for Rhaenyra, it is very much about her rights and what she is owed, even if that means sacrificing her people for it.

The points of contrast only continue to pile up on close examination of both narratives. Dany cares about her brother despite his abusive behavior towards her
and tries to save him to the very end; Rhaenyra wanted her 10-year-old
brother “questioned sharply” in an effort to cover up her own affair.
Dany cares about children, from the ones savaged by the slavers to make a
point to her highborn hostages that she refuses to execute to poor
little Hazzea to Missandei; Rhaenyra started a manhunt for her nephew
and niece and was all too ready to scapegoat Addam Velaryon and Nettles.
Dany certainly commits or condones cruel acts like crucifying the
masters in
Mereen or torturing the wineseller’s daughters but even then, the basis
of her actions is a far cry from Rhaenyra’s, who had no qualms about
having an innocent man seized, executed and fed to her dragon for
opposing her attempted land grab of the Velaryon lands and who freely
made use of torturers in trying to locate Aegon II and his children. At
her most cruel, Dany’s thoughts still showed her remorse when she had to
confront the reality of her orders in the form of the slowly dying
masters, and her motives were not simply
about personal revenge, though it is an element. In contrast,
Rhaenyra doubled down on her cruelty to the very end, and her pursuit of
personal vengeance only contributed to prolonging the war.
To put it simply, Daenerys is a savior while Rhaenyra was a tyrant. Take from that what you will.

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darrencriss: Getting to join the Screen Actors Guild was such a huge turning point in my career. Shoutout to EASTWICK for giving me my first union job and official SAG card! I’ll never forget how exciting that was. Thank you to my fellow @sagaftra performers for this nomination!

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Did you read the article from the director? Tyrion’ look at Jon and Dany is him seeing that politically it’s a bad idea and being worried He won’t be able to sway Dany the most, that Jon will. So nothing sinister and not romantic love either.

secretlyatargaryen:

him-e:

“Well I think there’s jealousy, but it’s maybe not romantic jealousy, in the way that it is for Jorah, for example. I think that for Tyrion, it’s more complicated. I think he has a very special relationship with Dany and he really believes in her as a true leader and has invested a lot in her. I think for him, with Jon and Dany getting together, this represents a possible undermining of his position with her and also a monkey wrench thrown into what the master plan really is meant to be around this entire alliance. The way I see it is Tyrion is a bit of a strategist—not just a bit of a strategist, he is a major strategist—and I think now, he can’t see where this is gonna go and that’s very difficult for someone who is always thinking three steps ahead. The consequences of Dany and Jon getting together are completely unknown. Is she gonna make decisions now based on this new relationship? Is she gonna be able to separate her personal [interests] from the interests of the greater group? What is this going to foretell for the alliance and what they’re all meant to do as a united front? So I think the worry for him is that now, everything is up for grabs. We don’t really know who’s going to side with who, what’s gonna happen at the end of the day, and which alliances are going to be the strongest.” (x)

ah yes he has invested a lot in her… politically. He’s jealous but like, strategically, platonically jealous. Of course it has to be more complicated, he’s Tyrion, he only fucks whores, drinks wine and knows things. 

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It’s funny how the one who has to carry the burden of “but why can’t they just respect each other platonically!” is always the non-conventionally attractive character.

goodqueenaly:

In Defense of Alyssa Velaryon

I have been trying for the past day to write a post about Alyssa Velaryon’s death in F&B, and I have been struggling to not delve completely into a profanity-laced rant in doing so. I have tried to craft a logical, reasoned response that adequately conveys my disappointment and criticism of GRRM’s writing with respect to Alyssa’s death, but every time I find myself getting as angry at this choice as I did the first time I read it, nearly three weeks ago. As I see it, Alyssa’s death is the culmination of the profoundly problematic re-characterization of her that we see in F&B; this is not simply the typical misogyny of the Westerosi universe, but a deliberate choice by the author to drive this woman out of the narrative. The author himself undermined Alyssa Velaryon as a character, breaking her down from the figure we had previously known and manipulating her (specifically gendered) death to further the characterization of a male figure instead. (Long; more under the cut)

Consider the change in Alyssa from the information we had in “Sons of the Dragon” to the new information presented by Gyldayn in F&B. In “Sons”, Alyssa was brave, determined, capable, and clever. We saw her mocking Maegor in open court, declaring for her son Aegon when Maegor seized power, reaching out to Westerosi lords to seek out support for her son, and successfully finding asylum and executing her and her two youngest children’s escape from captivity during Maegor’s rule. Suddenly, then, we get to “A Surfeit of Rulers”, and per Septon Barth (a man who in every other respect the story clearly wants us to see as intelligent, sympathetic, and even progressive), Alyssa was an Aenys-like figure who only wanted to be “loved, admired, and praised”. She does almost nothing not related to splitting up Jaehaerys and Alysanne for the entirety of the regency between their marriage and Jaehaerys assuming power; when she does try to act, she is consistently bullied and humiliated by Rogar Baratheon. She becomes, in short, no more than a secondary figure to Lord Rogar, and one which the story wants to portray as weak, uncertain, and failing.

So where the hell did this new Alyssa come from? I have a strong suspicion – though it’s only a suspicion – that GRRM decided, while writing all the new material he had to create for Jaehaerys I (having largely skipped over him in making notes for TWOIAF), to mirror Jaehaerys’ regency period on the regency of King Edward III of England. Indeed, the parallels are in some ways striking: the 14-year-old prince, son of a weak and ill-remembered father (and grandson of a well-remembered warrior-king), claiming the throne after a period of misrule, with his mother and his mother’s political/romantic ally (a very powerful lord in his own right) initially serving as his regents until the prince seizes power for himself (and then going on to have a long and very fruitful marriage with the bride he had taken in his teens). (Is it any coincidence, after all, that “Rogar”, Lord Baratheon’s new first name for F&B, sounds suspiciously like “Roger”, as in Roger Mortimer?) GRRM loves to lift from real-world history, changing and adapting to make an interesting, pseudo-historical (and I use the prefix deliberately) story; with the influence of The Accursed Kings series  (which in part addresses young Edward III’s accession) clear in both the main novels and F&B, there is no reason to doubt that GRRM likely had Edward III’s regency in mind when crafting Jaehaerys’ early years as king.

In choosing to make this adaptation, however, GRRM appears to have ignored the historical context of this source of inspiration, having the narrative punish Alyssa for misdeeds she did not commit and then silencing her in a way Queen Isabella herself was not following her loss of power. The popular understanding of Isabella of France, mother and sometime regent of Edward III, is that she and Roger Mortimer poorly handled the state, depleting England’s coffers by granting themselves huge incomes and estates, and that Edward III justly drove the wicked Mortimer from office and executed him. While there is some debate as to Isabella’s actual responsibilities during her son’s regency, it’s unquestionable that Isabella personally profited from the regency period (as did Mortimer, of course). At Edward III’s coronation in 1327, Isabella awarded herself an income of 20,000 marks, or roughly 13,000 pounds; for comparison, her income as queen to Edward II had been 4,500 pounds, while the king’s cousin Thomas of Lancaster, the richest man in England, earned 11,000 pounds a year from his five estates. In addition to this income, Isabella allocated herself 31,843 pounds, supposedly to pay her foreign debts (though these were already paid). Over the course of the four years of the regency, Isabella and Mortimer managed to reduce the treasury from 80,000 pounds to a mere 46. (There was a level of personal pettiness to Isabella as well: the coronation of Philippa of Hainault, the bride of Edward III, was delayed for two years, as Isabella did not want to surrender precedence to her daughter-in-law; only when Philippa became pregnant with her first child, the future Edward “the Black Prince”, was she finally crowned.)         

Contrast Isabella’s behavior to that of Alyssa Velaryon. Gyldayn underlines the fact that Alyssa’s concerns over the marriage of Jaehaerys and Alyssa were legitimate rather than selfish, based on her experience with the violent reaction to Rhaena and Aegon’s marriage (even if the story itself can’t seem to decide whether the possibility of a mass uprising against another incestuous Targaryen marriage was a credible threat or not). There is no personal animosity in Alyssa’s actions in trying to separate Jaehaerys and Alysanne, and her somewhat restrained (and ultimately unsuccessful) method of doing so is deliberately contrasted with Lord Rogar’s disturbing (and also unsuccessful) means of doing the same. On top of that, we see no evidence that Alyssa was attempting to profit personally from being Jaehaerys’ co-regent. By Gyldayn’s own admission, the crown’s treasury was already in a perilous state at the beginning of the regency, as “King Maegor’s wars had been ruinously expensive”. Of the great expenses thereafter – the coronation of Jaehaerys, the Golden Wedding, and the work on the Dragonpit – Alyssa personally profited on none of them; it might be argued that less could have been spent on the coronation and the wedding (though Gyldayn himself presents a counterargument to this idea, that these public spectacles “had done much to win him the love of lords and smallfolk alike”), but surely the construction on the Dragonpit did nothing to help the personal fortunes of either Alyssa or Rogar. Where with Alyssa Velaryon, in other words, was the bad government of which Queen Isabella was in the popular understanding so guilty during her regency?

The flip side of this choice, moreover, is that we actually know more about Queen Isabella’s years of retirement from power than we do about Alyssa Velaryon’s despite the fact that Edward III had far more reason to blame his mother than Jaehaerys ever did to blame his (Edward did, at least, execute Roger Mortimer, which is more than Jaehaerys did to the man who had tried to stage a clumsy coup against him). We know that Isabella moved between several royal residences in the nearly three decades between her fall from power and her death (for a sense of comparison, Isabella was about 35 at the end of the regency and died around the age of 63). We know that she made pilgrimages to Canterbury, where the shrine of St. Thomas Becket enjoyed great medieval popularity. We know that when King John II of France (a cousin to Isabella) and other Frenchmen were captured by Isabella’s grandson Edward at the Battle of Poitiers, Isabella entertained members of his household (including another French kinsman, Jacques de Bourbon). We know that she visited with her daughter Joan (sometime Queen of Scots) and her son King Edward, and gave them rich presents (including a black palfrey for Joan). We even know that she paid for a servant in her household to receive music lessons at a “school of minstrelsy” in London.

By contrast, Alyssa receives laughably little attention in the narrative following the end of her regency power, especially compared to Rogar. While Rogar’s reconciliation with Jaehaerys merits personal thoughts by Rogar beforehand and a whole transcript of their meeting, Alyssa’s reconciliation with Jaehaerys lasts one paragraph, in which Alyssa does not speak and only Grand Maester Benifer gives any thoughts as to her internal feelings. When Alyssa’s first Baratheon pregnancy is announced, Alyssa is given no opportunity to voice an opinion on whether she wanted to become pregnant at a very late maternal age, or what passed as reconciliation between her and her husband. Her second Baratheon pregnancy does not merit even the single thought Alyssa was allowed to give in the first; only Benifer and Rogar are allowed by the narrative to rejoice, and only Barth is allowed to voice any concerns.

GRRM gives the worst of both worlds to Alyssa Velaryon in her regency and post-regency life, yet he saves the very worst decision for last. I will not pretend to be the first to criticize GRRM’s overuse of deaths in childbirth; many meta writers before me have tackled the same subject (my dear friend @joannalannister among them). That he should return to this all-too-fertile ground for yet another character (not to mention the five other women F&B mentions died in the same manner) is disheartening, of course, but with Alyssa Velaryon there is a special cruelty to it. This is a woman who had been, from almost the start of the regency, sidelined and silenced by the narrative, in favor of Rogar Baratheon. In these last moments of her life, Alyssa Velaryon is manipulated the narrative to further the (negative) characterization of Rogar, with no thought to her own character.

Thus we see a death scene that in addition to being luridly depicted (Alyssa is presented “in a bed that stank of urine, drenched in sweat and gaunt as a crone” – a shameful last image for this woman who had helped save the Targaryen monarchy from collapse during the reign of Maegor) is focused largely on Rogar, instead of Alyssa herself. It’s Rogar with whom Jaehaerys speaks upon his and Alysanne’s arrival to Storm’s End; it’s Rogar who makes the crucial decision to sacrifice Alyssa that the babe might be saved; it’s Rogar whom Rhaena so roundly (and fairly) criticizes upon her own arrival (and if there is anything resembling a silver lining to this sordid affair, it’s that for once there is canon criticism of the power men in Westeros have over women’s bodies), and Rogar who attempts to laugh off Rhaena’s fury and warning (with the important footnote that he never did wed again, just as Rhaena insisted). Rogar is the one made to look callous and villainous (as though there had been any doubt to that beforehand), the male-obsessed Westerosi lord who cared more about his “son” (which fate fittingly denied him) than the wife whose death he had hastened. The one statement from Alyssa on the birth of her daughter – piously wishing to save her child, that she might be reunited with her dead sons – is immediately undercut by Gyldayn as likely not happening at all, with Alyssa Velaryon dying in narratively forded silence.

I am severely disappointed in GRRM about this. He had the opportunity with Alyssa to create a strong, intelligent, caring Queen Mother – a welcome presence at the court of her Targaryen son and daughter, a guiding light for the Baratheon son and daughter who would be so closely associated with their half-siblings’ dynasty. Not only did he sideline her, wasting her obvious talents during the regency on an ultimately failed attempt to separate her son and daughter; not only did he silence her, forgoing her post-regency perspective for that of her husband; not only did he force her into a needless, needlessly gendered death to ensure that she would never have influence or position again at Jaehaerys’ court; but he did all of that to further the characterization of Rogar Baratheon. The important takeaway of Alyssa’s regency and post-regency years, from the information Gyldayn provides, is not to understand who Alyssa was, but to understand who Rogar was. In the pursuit of making Rogar Baratheon into a villain, Gyldayn turns Alyssa into just another tool; she is there to be bullied, used, and ultimately killed just so we can hate Rogar even more. That is grossly unfair to this woman whose determination, courage, and shrewdness helped ensure the still-new Targaryen dynasty would survive when it was at its first crisis point under Maegor.

You could have done better, GRRM. Alyssa Velaryon deserved better.

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@catyuy said:

(not sure if you ever talked about this) Do you think Benjen knows the
truth about Jon? If so, how much does he know and how does he know? (was
he told by Ned/Lyanna or does he suspect)

I’ve mentioned it in passing once or twice but never really discussed
it. The short answer is that I do think Benjen knows about Jon’s real
paternity but I don’t think anyone told him as much as he had all the
sufficient information to figure it out on his own. Most of my
speculation about this is informed by how the text frames Benjen’s
relationship with Lyanna; while we have only a few instances of
interactions between them, it pointedly appears as a close
relationship.

Now two children danced across the godswood, hooting at one
another as they dueled with broken branches. The girl was the older and
taller of the two. Arya! Bran thought eagerly, as he watched her leap up
onto a rock and cut at the boy. But that couldn’t be right. If the girl
was Arya, the boy was Bran himself, and he had never worn his hair so
long. And Arya never beat me playing swords, the way that girl is
beating him. She slashed the boy across his thigh, so hard that his leg
went out from under him and he fell into the pool and began to splash
and shout. “You be quiet, stupid,” the girl said, tossing her own branch
aside. “It’s just water. Do you want Old Nan to hear and run tell
Father?” She knelt and pulled her brother from the pool, but before she
got him out again, the two of them were gone.

   

Benjen and Lyanna grew up with only one another for companionship, with Brandon being fostered in Barrowton and Ned in the Eyrie when Lyanna was all of four and Benjen even younger. They were probably also really close in age – considering the parallel set by Bran’s vision to Arya and Bran who are two years apart in age – which makes it more likely that they had a close relationship. Indeed, this vision clearly frames Ben
as a close companion and confidant
to Lyanna who seems to have been accustomed to keeping her secrets from the adults
around them. He was a willing participant in her traditionally unlady-like
endeavors as well if he was her regular sparring partner. That lends more credence to the heavy
suggestion in Meera Reed’s story about the tourney of Harrenhall that Benjen
was a knowing, contributing party to
Lyanna’s brief stint as the Knight of the Laughing Tree.

“The wolf maid saw them too, and pointed them out to her brothers. ‘I
could find you a horse, and some armor that might fit,’ the pup offered.
The little crannogman thanked him, but gave no answer […]”

 

It
is likely that the armor that Ben offered to procure for Howland Reed
was the
“ill-fitting armor made up of bits and pieces” that Lyanna used as the
Knight of the
Laughing Tree. The logistics of the situation don’t work too well without Ben’s involvement. Also, Howland knew that Lyanna was the Knight of the
Laughing Tree so I find it hard to believe that Ben, Lyanna’s
lifelong companion and sparring partner, did not. That in turn makes it likely
that Ben knew that Rhaegar
had discovered Lyanna’s identity and that said discovery was what
prompted her crowning as queen of love and beauty, in addition to
whatever interaction may have happened between his sister and the crown
prince at Harrenhal. Too, Lyanna’s reaction to Rhaegar’s singing had
been previously noted by Ben since he teased her about it and got wine poured over his head for it. So Ben was in a prime position to know about the obvious entanglement between Rhaegar and Lyanna and the one most likely to know the details of what occurred between them. I can’t imagine that what happened at Harrenhal wasn’t a major subject of discussion between two young siblings sequestered on their own in Winterfell as Ned headed to the Vale and Brandon started preparing for his wedding.

The extent of Benjen’s knowledge is speculative at best since we’re still missing a lot of details about this plot, but he was probably fully aware of how Lyanna felt about both Robert and Rhaegar, however her feelings about the latter could be described. In fact, I suspect that Ben might have been the only one who actually cared to listen to what Lyanna thought about what happened at Harrenhal since I don’t think that Rickard, Brandon or Ned were at all considering of Lyanna’s thoughts and feelings on this matter. Which makes it all the more likely that Lyanna trusted Ben with her feelings. In light of that, I feel confident saying that there is no way that Ben did not know that Lyanna went “willingly” with Rhaegar, something that might have even played a part in his later decision to join the Night’s Watch at such a young age and so soon after Ned returned with Lyanna’s son. Because if Ben had all this information, it’s difficult for me to buy that
he didn’t figure out the truth of Jon’s paternity. Ned’s lie was very easy to accept within a society indoctrinated to think that it’s normal for men to father bastards, especially in wartime – but that story does have holes for someone who had the background information Ben did and who knew Lyanna and Ned as well as he did. Note that
Ben’s potential knowledge of the circumstances of Lyanna’s disappears means that his thoughts on the matter might have lacked the violence that characterizes the official story of Lyanna’s kidnap and rape, so the question of the manner of her death would be very present on his mind. What did Lyanna die of exactly? Perfectly healthy 16-year-olds
don’t just drop dead of their own accord. But Ned was scarce with the details. Ned didn’t talk about Lyanna, about Harrenhal and especially not the Knight of the Laughing Tree. In fact, it looks like he banned talk of it, just as he banned talk of Jon’s mother who he also refused to talk about. This is very telling if one knew where to look, and Ben certainly did.

Ben knows. But I imagine that he could relate to how silence could be seen as the only way to protect a loved one. Ned kept the truth from everyone to protect Lyanna’s son, as Ben might have done in an attempt to protect Lyanna. Which might have played a part in shaping Ben’s wistful view of Jon as his son just as it shaped Ned’s.

samwpmarleau:

so much time is spent focusing on how great of a warrior arthur dayne was, how chivalrous a knight, blah blah, but i feel like no one ever points out how goddamn Extra™ he was. i mean–

“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.

he could have just said “we weren’t there” but all right

And Dayne, with Dawn in hand… The outlaw’s longsword had so many notches by the end that Ser Arthur had stopped to let him fetch a new one. “It’s that white sword of yours I want,” the robber knight told him as they resumed, though he was bleeding from a dozen wounds by then. “Then you shall have it, ser,” the Sword of the Morning replied, and made an end of it.

he could have ended that fight in ten seconds flat, but no, let’s break the guy’s sword then drop a fucking one-liner

“We all swore oaths,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, so sadly.

even in jaime’s dream he broods

“All knights must bleed, Jaime,” Ser Arthur Dayne had said, when he saw. “Blood is the seal of our devotion.”

“blood is the seal of our devotion” ok edgelord

With Dawn he tapped him on the shoulder; the pale blade was so sharp that even that light touch cut through Jaime’s tunic, so he bled anew.

ah yes, let’s impractically use a greatsword to knight jaime that cuts his shoulders to shreds because aesthetic i guess??