[½] houses – House Martell
House Nymeros Martell, or simply House Martell, is one of the Great Houses of Westeros and the rulling house of Dorne. Like their Rhoynish ancestors the Martells style their rulers as “Prince” or “Princess” of Dorne and follow gender-blind equal primogeniture, in which the eldest child is the heir regardless of whether that child is male or female.
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replied to your post “Do you ever have a question that you really like and that you have a…”
No just a bit of writer’s block
Imagining a question as a physical entity is a bit too dire of a reaction to writer’s block 🙂 But hey, I’ll take it.
Do you ever have a question that you really like and that you have a clear cut answer to but actually articulating it is a pain because words are kicking your ass so you just let it sit in your drafts until it becomes older than dirt? Because I do that all the damn time. At this point I’m imagining the question having a physical manifestation that is just sitting there laughing and sticking its tongue at me. That’s not disconcerting or anything, right?
It annoys me that Rhaenys the Queen Who Never Was gets dismissed so steadily. She was third in line for the throne until her father’s death. Than whoops Succession Crisis What About Rhalla and Aerea!?! That problem would have still been there if Aemon lived and taken the throne. So why is Jaehaerys betraying his granddaughter so applauded? The Great Councils did nothing but kick the problem down the generations.
First thing I want to point out here is that I don’t think that Jaehaerys passing over Rhaenys in succession is applauded, at least not from what I’ve seen? What I’ve seen is explanations that offer a more nuanced reasoning beyond Jaehaerys simply being a misogynistic jerk who thought women shouldn’t rule. It might be that Jaehaerys’ decision did derive from a degree of misogyny – Queen Alysanne certainly seemed to think if the Second Quarrel is anything to judge by, but I personally like to think there is a deeper reason because this move shows uncustomary behavior from Jaehaerys. Certainly the guy who made policy changes on the recommendation of his queen and who actively demonstrated political trust in her to where it was said that she ruled the realm as much as he did doesn’t seem likely to pass over his granddaughter simply due to her gender. It also stands to reason that the political partnership of Jaehaerys and Alysanne was likely informed by the crucial political role their mother Alyssa Velaryon and their eldest sister Rhaena played in saving the Targrayen dynasty after Aenys’ weak rule and Maegor’s brutality threatened to do it in, and in winning Jaehaerys his throne in the first place. It is only by the action, bravery and (personal and political) sacrifice of two women that Jaehaerys was coronated in the first place, and Queen Alyssa then held the realm together in the aftermath of war and huge instability for two years till Jaehaerys reached his majority. That the three most prominent women in Jaehaerys’ life were all such active and astute political actors who not only shaped his life but also his reign makes me think there has to be more to his decision to pass over Rhaenys than just prejudice. I also think there could be thematic resonance to Jaehaerys’ decision to bypass his grandaughter’s rights to stave off instability paralleling his sister’s Rhaena’s own decision to bypass her daughters’ rights for a similar reason, and how that juxtaposes against the rampant selfishness of the two sides of the Dance of the Dragons.
Another point of discussion is why concerns about Rhalla and Aerea’s lines only emerged after Aemon’s death and why hadn’t Jaehaerys acted before. That part is a bit hard to discern because we don’t know what Prince Aemon and Jocelyn Baratheon’s fertility history was like. Rhaenys was their only daughter but it is possible that they had either conceived again or at least were trying to since producing a male heir was widely seen as securing the line of succession in a way that a female heir wasn’t. If Aemon and Jocelyn conceived again after Rhaenys or even had children who died in infancy, the issue of the claim of Rhalla and Aerea’s line might not have seemed as dire since there was still hope that Aemon, who was only in his thirties when he died, would have a son, something that was soundly lost with his death. So it might not be necessarily true that concern about his nieces’ lines only came to Jaehaerys’ mind after Aemon’s death as much as that Aemon’s death made Rhaenys’ succession a matter of course which in turn made the possibility of conflicting rival claims to the throne more real prompting Jaehaerys to take action to settle the matter.
As for the Great Council, certainly it is one of the dark ironies of the series that Jaehaerys’ speculated attempt to get ahead of a possible succession debate and war ends up being used to inspire the biggest civil war in Targaryen history. But that’s to blame on Viserys I’s laziness and refusal to deal with the complicated legalities of the succession during his reign rather than on the efficiency of a Great Council. The purpose of a Great Council was to put succession debates to a majority vote rather than the arbitrary choice of the king which is a pretty sound political and legal move all things considered. That’s a solid solution since it decides succession by the will of the vassals over whom the king claimed the right to rule while establishing a body of authority to decide matters of succession allowing for such debates to be settled peacefully and curtailing possible wars. That Viserys I chose to overcomplicate succession by not only ignoring the legal argument that put him in power in the first place when naming his daughter heiress but also by refusing to settle a painfully obvious succession debate in which the two legal precedents clashed is to be blamed on him rather than the Great Council or Jaehaerys I. Viserys set the stage for the Dance by unnecessarily making an already complicated legal matter worse, ignoring the blatant bad blood between the blacks and the greens then stupidly setting the greens up with all the authority they needed to force the issue. Viserys is the one who kicked the problem down a generation while offering no alternate solution and taking no decisive action to settle the matter peacefully. Putting the blame of that on either Jaehaerys or the Great Council exonerates Viserys from much of his ineptitude and willful inaction.
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I’m so glad I sat on this till now. Love you lady.
1. My little nephew’s smile when I touch my forehead to his. Actually his smile in general. It’s the cutest.
2. Libraries. I just love the feeling of being surrounded with so many books. Even if I get overwhelmed by wanting to get them all.
3. Having hot chocolate on rainy days. There’s something so fundamentally satisfying about that feeling.
4. Moments spend tucked in in a cafe with my best friend. So relaxing.
5. Sitting on a beach looking at the water with music blaring in my ears. Heaven.
The way you and your friends behave is the reason why I was and I am anonymous. You attack on groups and target one person.
I’m assuming you’re responding to this? Read it again. Go ahead. Because I personally don’t see how this could be misunderstood to be about simple anonymity rather than anonymous hate. I have no problem with anonymity otherwise I’d just turn the feature off. My problem is when people use the plausible deniability that feature grants them to claim that I’m sending these messages to myself. That no one in X fandom misbehaves and it’s all made up by me and other fans who happen to defend the same character. That certain prejudices against a character absolutely does not exist but if I provide examples, it gets flat out denied using the claim that I’m the one who constructed the whole sham.
Do you see the issue here? I’m supposed to provide evidence that I get hate and messages that are transparently prejudiced against a character, but those who claim it’s all made up are not held to the same standard and the misuse of a tumblr feature gets used to discredit me.
Honestly though, are you actually trying to imply that I am the reason I’m getting hate? I didn’t start this argument. I am not the one calling another a liar or delusional. Someone disagrees with my opinion? That’s cool. It’s even cool that they don’t try to engage me personally and just post about that disagreement on their own blog. God knows I’ve done the same before. But I’m entitled to respond when someone insults me and dismisses my experience in this fandom just because it does not match theirs. It is preposterous that you’re now trying to make this my fault and framing it as an attack on one person. So they can call me names but I can’t defend myself and if I do, then I’m a bully. What a fantastic logic.
Finally, let me address that part about how “me and my friends” attack on groups and target one person. First of all, I can only be held accountable for my own behavior in fandom. You can’t come to my inbox to blame me because somewhere someone who defends the same character as me behaved badly. Second, I’m not sure what you mean by attacking groups or even targeting one person because other than the interaction a couple of days ago, most of my engagement in fandom is either with mutuals or anons. Besides the occasional discussion with a mutual, most of my discussions about any given subject consists of people coming to me with it. Of people actively engaging me by sending me messages about a certain subject or commenting on my posts. That entitles me to a response. But like, when have I targeted one person or attacked any group? I often use the broad term of “fandom” in my discussion and try to avoid naming any subset as much as I could, and when I do, it is always based on interactions I’ve had and not one some vague notion of “they are bad and we’re good”. Is this about the racist thing? I’d apologize but I don’t think anyone is entitled to an apology when an argument is racist. I’ve explained why it is racist. I’ve linked to where I’ve thoroughly went over it piece by piece. Instead my words were brushed off and outright willfully constructed and I received a slew of ad
hominem
attacks. Are we going to pretend that pointing out a prejudice against a character or in an argument is the same as calling someone a liar and delusional, or self-loathing and petty like that oh-so-friendly anon? Is that what we’re doing now? Watch me as I have no sympathy to their so-called victimhood.
The funny thing is that I logged in today with the intent to make a post about my desire to just forget those unpleasant wanky interactions in response to several messages I got wrt them because I didn’t want this to devolve anymore than it already had. I was going to shut conversation on this subject. I still intend to. But I’m not going to allow for this to be put on me.
exverbis said to theo-crain: could you do a gifset of the mirror videos posted on the THOHH’s instagram page?
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