The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story: Everything We Know So Far

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8) Criss worked to bring some humanity to Cunanan.

And that’s clear from the opening ten minutes alone, which depict Cunanan in some severe psychological distress shortly before killing Versace. “Andrew was so many different personalities to so many different people,” Criss told BAZAAR.com, referring to multiple conversation he’s had with people who knew Cunanan. “For me, that makes things a bit easier—we see him at his best, we see him at his worst, we see him at his most charming, we see him at his most hurt. It’s been one of the most exhilarating characters that I’ve spent time with because he is so all over the place, and he’s capable of truly great things. My goal is to have people exercise their sense of empathy, because from the get-go we all know that he’s capable of something truly horrendous… it’s been a wonderful challenge to find as much humanity as possible.” Murphy added that the show explores whether Cunanan was “a mad man, or a victim of the times. I think the answer is, sort of, both.”

The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story: Everything We Know So Far

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He didn’t even CONSIDER the possibility he might lose. I mean, just look at what he said to Jaime: “When this battle’s done I mean to call a council.” Not if, WHEN. In his mind, there was absolutely no doubt, and so he didn’t take any precautions.

Ah, to believe in the power of prophecy. Like that hadn’t screwed up any Targaryens before. Nope.

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“I’m totally in agreement with you about the Elia plot development, but…”

also like, elia and the kids were in the red keep, a really impressive castle. i dont think rhaegar believed they were in significant danger (because he was a dumbass)

“Because he was a dumbass” should be the baseline argument for any question about Rhaegar tbh. It makes life so much easier. lol

But yeah, I don’t think Rhaegar really entertained the thought that he could lose? In his head, he would have rode to put down the rebellion, called a Great Council to remove his father, and started to enact his vision of Westeros with the three heads of the dragon being raised to be the saviors they were born to be. He did not spend much (see: any) time reflecting on the ramifications of his actions or consider the dangers or the potential cost. He had the numbers, and he was powered with prophecy and magic so of course things would work out….just like they worked out juuuust fine when he disappeared with Lyanna for months.

Because he was a dumbass is an accurate description..

I’m totally in agreement with you about the Elia plot development, but there is a part of me that wonders (dreads) that this is a GRRM plot point too. For someone who was convinced that the dragon had three heads, Rhaegar really dropped the ball on protecting two of them. Why would he devote three kingsguard (including the LC and Arthur Dayne) to the “third head” while leaving the “first head” and the actual PTWP so vulnerable to his mad father. I worry that we will learn that the “three heads”

…were him, Lyanna, and baby Jon and that he viewed Elia as fatal delay foisted on him by a paranoid father.
       
    

Well, it’s not like Rhaegar’s plan for “protecting” Lyanna and her child was exactly brilliant. Whisking a 15 years old to the middle of no where so he could impregnate her, and leaving her there, stressed and afraid, to give birth without appropriate medical care or a trained maester looking after her and the child is a dumb idea, especially for someone who saw his mother go through numerous miscarriages, stillbirths and cradle deaths, and his wife almost die in childbed. Lyanna’s age put her and the child at risk, the stress of finding out about her family and Rhaegar’s brilliant idea of fighting in his father’s name added to it and so planning for her to have birth in whatever condition the Tower of Joy was in (and he clearly planned on that from the start), and depriving her from the best maesters he could find to assist her in childbirth was a terrible idea. The Kingsguard weren’t equipped to be of help to Lyanna in this, and while it’s probable that Arthur Dayne brought someone from Starfall, the condition Ned found Lyanna in suggests a lack of adequate care,. So I don’t really see the fact that Rhaegar left the three Kingsguard behind as a sign that he no longer thought his children by Elia were important to the prophecy (which, honestly would paint Rhaegar in even more terrible light because it suggests that him providing adequate protection for his children relied on their worth as prophesied saviors, and prophesied destinies or not, they were still his children) but rather another symptom of his tendency to believe that magical forces would make things okay and guarantee the children’s survival.

Moreover, I’m sorry but the theory that Rhaegar thought Lyanna was one of the heads has absolutely no basis in the text and is so out of the left field I do not know what to do with it. Here’s what the text tells us of Rhaegar’s beliefs re: the prophecy:

The man had [Dany’s] brother’s
hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than
lilac. “Aegon,” he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great
wooden bed. “What better name for a king?”  

 "Will you make a song for him?“ the woman asked.  

 "He
has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and
his is the song of ice and fire.” He looked up when he said it and his
eyes met Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond
the door. “There must be one more,” he said, though whether he was
speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. “The dragon
has three heads.” He went to the window seat, picked up a harp, and ran
his fingers lightly over its silvery strings.


“No one ever looked for a girl,” [Maester Aemon] said. “It was a prince that
was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought … the smoke was
from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt
from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he
became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy,
for a comet had been seen above King’s Landing on the night Aegon was
conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet.

Rhaegar named Aegon the Prince Who Was Promised at his birth and expressed his belief that the three heads of the dragon were siblings hence the
“there must be one more”. He was persuaded that the comet above King’s Landing was the bleeding star of the prophecy. He had no reason to change those convictions or to believe otherwise considering that Aegon did meet all the requirements of the prophecy. Rhaegar believed that all of the three heads were of Targaryen descent, from the line of Aerys and Rhaella, and that’s something we know for sure. Don’t expect a sudden flip just for the sake of shock factor, GRRM ain’t doing it. This does not make sense and it contradicts what we’ve been told. Of all the things I’m concerned about re: this storyline, this definitely isn’t one of them.

Just a question, do you hate ShowJorah as well? As like ShowTyrion they have completely changed the show version and took out all their problematic parts from the books.

Listen, the books were not my first introduction to Jorah Mormont. I read the books….. perhaps a year and a half ago?, so we were already deeply into show canon by that point, and I still did not like Jorah. I did not hate him with a passion like his book counterpart, but he bugged me and I found him endlessly dull. Jorah was supposed to be the tragic romantic hopelessly in love, and the remorseful lover trying desperately to make amends for his mistakes, and while his story did fall in line with these tropes and did not present him as the asshole refusing to take responsibility of anything he’d done, he fell flat for me more often than not. Despite the changes, Jorah still came across as a stalker who refused to take no for an answer after Dany sends him away on the show, he deliberately ignored her wishes more than once, and kept pushing her to allow him back into her life in what comes across as very emotionally manipulative. At one point, his story just became stagnant. It was an endless circle of him trying to get Dany’s favor back, her refusing him and sending him away, and him doing something extreme and crazy in an endeavor to make her accept. I mean, going back willingly to the fighting pits wasn’t exactly a ringing endorsement for the guy, knowing what he knows about where Dany stands on the issue. That’s less about remorse and more about guilting her into forgiving him. By the time his greyscale was discovered, I was completely done with the character and only wanted a reprieve. The insane miraculous greyscale remission that sucked up Sam’s narrative in the Citadel this season only infuriated me and did nothing to interest me in the guy. The guy’s narrative relevance just ran out two seasons ago.

Moreover, I’m endlessly frustrated with what the show had done with Jorah, how they changed the story of an abuser and reframed it as a guy who did a terrible mistake and was trying to get forgiveness, which comes across as sympathetic and relatable despite the icky factors present. But that’s not Jorah Mormont, and the change really has its ugly implications. How about we don’t deliberately romanticize abusers?

So on game of thrones when talking about the annulment, did they say it was done in dorne? Where Elia is from and her family is? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yeah, both the annulment and the marriage happened in Dorne. Which means that either Rhaegar set out from the start with the High Septon in tow which somehow no one knew about, or he sent for the High Septon once he made off with Lyanna, in which case I’d like to know who did he send, and how the disappearance of the High Septon went unnoticed in the capital for all that time?

Then we run into the most complicated aspect: on what grounds did the High Septon grant an annulment? Elia and Rhaegar’s marriage was consummated and legal, making it hard for it to qualify for annulment. It’s not impossible to annul a consummated marriage mind you: Tywin managed to get Tyrion and Tysha’s marriage annulled after consummation (probably by claiming fraud andor contesting Tyrion’s consent being that he was a minor and did not acquire his guardian’s permission, and giving some healthy bribes to ease any complications) Aegon V also tried to get Prince Duncan the Small to set Jenny of Oldstones aside, presumably after the marriage was consummated, so that suggests that there are some grounds that permit the nullification of a consummated union
(or at least a divorce? This is where things get murky because GRRM says that divorce isn’t common in Westeros, which suggests that it could happen albeit rarely and under very exceptional circumstances, hence why we saw extreme actions like forcing a wife into nunnery or accusing her of adultery used to end a marriage or get rid of a wife. Perhaps this is where the distinction between setting a marriage and setting a wife aside emerges? The first is annulment but the second is a divorce? It’s worth noting, though, that we’ve never seen a divorce in the novels.)

or that perhaps a person with the right influence could pressure andor bribe either the High Septon or a Council of Faith to get an annulment to a consummated marriage.

But while Rhaegar would definitely have the clout that allows this to happen, two things stand in the way: 1) Unlike Tysha and Jenny, Elia Martell was a noblewoman, a princess of Dorne. It’s much easier to find some pretext to separate a prince from a commoner than it is to do it with a noblewoman, one who had done nothing to garner such a thing at that, and whose family would surely make a racket over the unprovoked and undeserved slight and political calamity, and 2) Unlike the two aforementioned marriages, Rhaegar and Elia’s produced two healthy children, one of whom was the heir to the throne after his father. Virtually no one would think to annul a marriage that produced heirs – an annulment means that Rhaenys and Aegon would be delegitimized, and removed from the line of succession entirely, which would make anyone extremely hesitant to annul the marriage and set such a dangerous precedent (and invite a future succession war). It also does not make sense that Rhaegar would want to make his Prince Who Was Promised a bastard when he was (I’ll be generous and say) primarily motivated by his quest for the third head of the dragon. Rhaegar thought that Aegon was the savior from the prophecy, heralded by a bleeding star and born on Dragonstone amidst salt and smoke; why in the old gods’ name would he want to make him a bastard in favor of Lyanna’s child whose role was to be supporting? That makes absolutely no sense.

Of course, there is also much and more to say about Rhaegar in such a scenario, which I don’t think the writers really noticed while writing that travesty of a storyline. This annulment thing paints Rhaegar in a much worse light than originally though: he was already barely balancing on the edge with Lyanna but this…. this means that he carelessly discarded Elia the second she ceased to be of importance for him (while she and his children by her were hostages of his father, no less), and then had the audacity to turn around and ask her kinsmen to fight to keep his throne. This means he deliberately deceived the Dornish and used Elia and the children to rob them to fight for him–to die for him–when he didn’t have the decency to show the smallest ounce of respect to the woman who risked her life to give him heirs, and threw her away as if she meant nothing for no reason whatsoever. This makes the situation with Elia and the children a per-meditated sacrifice; perhaps Rhaegar did not mean for his father to keep them as hostages, but he planned to sacrifice them for his own gain all the same. This surpasses the story of a prophecy-obsessed prince that was so focused on his three heads of the dragon that he acted carelessly and without thought to the people whose lives he impacted for a story about a cruelly calculating prince set on carelessly victimizing the wife he already put through hell, and the innocent children that should have been his to protect. That’s cruel and vile to the point of being inhuman.

But apparently, the writers thought we would cheer just because this means that Jon is legitimate? Screw that from now to eternity. That’s disgusting. They honestly think that this is a good story, that deliberately making Lyanna a replacement for Elia, and Jon for Aegon and Rhaenys, is something we’d be good with, that we’d be happy that their cheap romantic plot for Rhaegar and Lyanna furthered the dismissal of Elia and scapegoated her to the max. For the love of god, they did not even bother to say her name as if she was inconsequential to the plot because she was; the significance of that scene was solely about how Rhaegar was free to marry Lyanna and how Jon was legitimate. Elia was nothing but an obstacle in the way of that ~romantic narrative~ and now that the obstacle has been neutralized through a contrived annulment, what narrative importance could she possible hold to them? What possible importance could the entirety of Dorne hold to them? Dorne was only sexualized women and contrived revenge plots as far as they were concerned, and they can’t do either with the dead Elia, so forget about her, Elia who?

Oberyn Martell must be turning in his grave. Say her name, show. At least have the decency to acknowledge the personhood of the woman you screwed over so badly. Elia isn’t a mid-way ship in someone else’s love story, neither is she a mere obstacle that the romantic lead has to overcome before he gets his “One True Love” in reward, she is a person who deserves respect and recognition, who suffered tremendously because of the douchebaggery of Rhaegar, and who deserved better both from the in-universe characters, and from the narrative itself.

Elia Martell of Dorne. Say her name.